[Irl-dean] NDA Code of Practice on Public Body Accessibility

[Gerry Ellis]

Hi,

Sory for the late intervention, but I also support the document as amended by mark.


Take care,

Gerry Ellis
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark Magennis" <mark.magennis at ncbi.ie>
To: <irl-dean at list.eeng.dcu.ie>
Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 3:12 PM
Subject: RE: [Irl-dean] NDA Code of Practice on Public Body Accessibility


Attached is the amended proposed amendment :-{

It's identical to the earlier one except it has this added paragraph in
the suggested text:

"Services delivered using new and emerging technologies that have
significant benefits for members of the public over existing methods of
providing the same service will be subject to the Act."

Hugh, will you be able to put it into an official Irl-DeAN format with a
title page and a little intro about who we are?

Mark

> -----Original Message-----
> From: irl-dean-admin at list.eeng.dcu.ie 
> [mailto:irl-dean-admin at list.eeng.dcu.ie] On Behalf Of Mark Magennis
> Sent: 28 October 2005 15:00
> To: irl-dean at list.eeng.dcu.ie
> Subject: RE: [Irl-dean] NDA Code of Practice on Public Body 
> Accessibility
> 
> 
> Oh, well, in that case, I might reconsider. If nobody dissents before
> 5pm today, we'll submit it on behalf of Irl-DeAN. Hugh, will 
> you do the
> submitting? I'll send the amended version to the list in a few mins.
> 
> Mark
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: irl-dean-admin at list.eeng.dcu.ie 
> > [mailto:irl-dean-admin at list.eeng.dcu.ie] On Behalf Of drice at nda.ie
> > Sent: 28 October 2005 14:49
> > To: irl-dean at list.eeng.dcu.ie
> > Subject: RE: [Irl-dean] NDA Code of Practice on Public Body 
> > Accessibility
> > 
> > 
> > Mark,
> > NDA are eager to receive as many strong submssions as 
> possible on the 
> > draft Code of Practice.  Irl-Dean has an increasingly 
> > authroitive voice in this arena and I think it would benefit 
> > the developemnt of the Code of 
> > Practice if Irl-Dean could provide a submission. 
> > 
> > Best regards,
> > Dónal Rice
> > 
> > irl-dean-admin at list.eeng.dcu.ie wrote on 28/10/2005 14:23:27:
> > 
> > > Dear all,
> > > 
> > > Since Hugh is the only person to have openly voiced support 
> > for making
> > > my submission on behalf of Irl-DeAN, I feel uneasy about 
> doing so at
> > > this stage. So I think I'll just submit it personally with Hugh's
> > > suggested addition.
> > > 
> > > I do think it's a good idea for Irl-DeAN to make 
> > submissions, comments,
> > > lobbying, etc. as a group, so perhaps this is something we 
> > can discuss
> > > at the next general meeting and get a procedure together. I 
> > think the
> > > way this was done is not the right way. It's too much to 
> > expect everyone
> > > to mail the list with a "me too" and it would be annoying 
> > if everyone
> > > did, so a better way of doing this kind of thing might be for our
> > > beloved leader Hugh to formerly propose Irl-DeAN 
> communications with
> > > some fixed time frame for discussion and disagreement and 
> > some criteria
> > > for it being deemed to have been 'agreed'.
> > > 
> > > Perhaps over time, Irl-DeAN could be recognised and respected as a
> > > collective voice for Irish ICT accessibility proponents. 
> > Any comments?
> > > 
> > > Mark
> > > 
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: irl-dean-admin at list.eeng.dcu.ie 
> > > > [mailto:irl-dean-admin at list.eeng.dcu.ie] On Behalf Of 
> Hugh O'Neill
> > > > Sent: 26 October 2005 12:02
> > > > To: irl-dean at list.eeng.dcu.ie
> > > > Subject: RE: [Irl-dean] NDA Code of Practice on Public Body 
> > > > Accessibility
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Hi Mark,
> > > > 
> > > > As a suggestion, following on from Eamon's comment, it may be 
> > > > an idea to mention new technology: 
> > > > "Services based upon new and emerging technology will also be 
> > > > subject to this act".
> > > > I know you are keeping to specifics, but maybe it would be 
> > > > good try to cater for future developments. 
> > > > 
> > > > With or without this addition, I think your approach to the 
> > > > code of practice is comprehensive, and I  am in favour of 
> > > > this being an Irl-Dean response to the code of practice. 
> > > > 
> > > > If anyone has a problem with Irl-Dean supporting this, please 
> > > > mail the list.
> > > > 
> > > > All the best,
> > > > Hugh
> > > > 
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: irl-dean-admin at list.eeng.dcu.ie
> > > > [mailto:irl-dean-admin at list.eeng.dcu.ie]On Behalf Of 
> > Eamon Mag Uidhir
> > > > Sent: 26 October 2005 10:34
> > > > To: irl-dean at list.eeng.dcu.ie
> > > > Subject: Re: [Irl-dean] NDA Code of Practice on Public Body
> > > > Accessibility
> > > > Importance: Low
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > No. I think the amendment is fine as it does bring TV into 
> > > > it. I'm just suggesting that these new technologies, and new 
> > > > synergies of 
> > > > existing technologies, need to be closely watched from the 
> > > > accessibility perspective to ensure the lobbying and 
> > > > armtwisting happens 
> > > > before their introduction (with some hope of success) and not 
> > > > after they arrive as usual (with little hope). Sorry, perhaps 
> > > > I should 
> > > > have started a new thread on that.
> > > > 
> > > > Eamon
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Mark Magennis wrote:
> > > > > I agree with you that it is important for accessibility 
> > > > campaigners to
> > > > > be ahead of the game. Are you saying that this should be 
> > > > reflected in
> > > > > the proposed amendment? If so, how exactly?
> > > > > 
> > > > > Mark
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > >>-----Original Message-----
> > > > >>From: irl-dean-admin at list.eeng.dcu.ie 
> > > > >>[mailto:irl-dean-admin at list.eeng.dcu.ie] On Behalf Of Eamon 
> > > > Mag Uidhir
> > > > >>Sent: 25 October 2005 12:09
> > > > >>To: irl-dean at list.eeng.dcu.ie
> > > > >>Subject: Re: [Irl-dean] NDA Code of Practice on Public Body 
> > > > >>Accessibility
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> From left field, shouldn't the push begin to include by name 
> > > > >>other online media to reflect the big convergence over 
> > IP that is 
> > > > >>going to occur over the next few years? That means for 
> > > > >>example looking for closed captioning and other assistive 
> > > > >>tech supports in 
> > > > >>broadband TV before it even arrives and before the usual 
> > > > >>"fait accompli/too costly to make accessible now" chorus is 
> > > > >>heard from 
> > > > >>service and content providers. Progress in that area could 
> > > > >>enable better behaviour in the broadcast media, where so 
> > > > >>little is done 
> > > > >>to support users with hearing issues.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>Eamon Mag Uidhir
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>Mark Magennis wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >>>Dear all,
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>Please find attached a proposed amendment to the NDA code 
> > > > >>
> > > > >>of practice on
> > > > >>
> > > > >>>public body accessibility.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>I believe this is an important issue. The purpose of the 
> > > > >>
> > > > >>NDA's COP is to
> > > > >>
> > > > >>>provide clarification and guidance for sections 26, 27 and 
> > > > 28 of the
> > > > >>>Disability Act which deal with accessibility of services 
> > > > >>
> > > > >>delivered by
> > > > >>
> > > > >>>public bodies. As it stands, there is very little in these 
> > > > >>
> > > > >>sections that
> > > > >>
> > > > >>>mandates the accessibility of public websites and other ICT 
> > > > >>
> > > > >>channels.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>>My proposed amendment to the COP makes it clear that the 
> > > > >>
> > > > >>definition of
> > > > >>
> > > > >>>'services' used in the Act should be taken to cover 
> > > > >>
> > > > >>websites and other
> > > > >>
> > > > >>>ICT channels. I have followed the example of the COP that 
> > > > >>
> > > > >>the Disability
> > > > >>
> > > > >>>Rights Commission in the UK wrote concerning the Disability
> > > > >>>Discrimination Act which made it clear that, for example, 
> > > > >>
> > > > >>an airline's
> > > > >>
> > > > >>>online booking system can be considered to be a 'service' 
> > > > >>
> > > > >>under the Act,
> > > > >>
> > > > >>>and not just an alternative means of delivering the 
> > > > >>
> > > > >>underlying booking
> > > > >>
> > > > >>>service. Without this clarification, there is no compulsion 
> > > > >>
> > > > >>for making
> > > > >>
> > > > >>>websites accessible, since a body can just say that the 
> > > > 'service' is
> > > > >>>accessible through other means (such as by phone or visit 
> > > > >>
> > > > >>to an office
> > > > >>
> > > > >>>in person). This is not good enough and will result in a 
> > > > >>
> > > > >>massive digital
> > > > >>
> > > > >>>divide.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>If enough Irl-DeAN members agree with this proposal and 
> > > > >>
> > > > >>none disagree,
> > > > >>
> > > > >>>we can submit it on behalf of Irl-DeAN. If not, I will 
> > submit it
> > > > >>>privately myself. Time is tight because comments must be 
> > > > >>
> > > > >>made to the NDA
> > > > >>
> > > > >>>by this Friday 28 October, so please read it soon if you 
> > > > >>
> > > > >>are interested.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>>If anyone does not think Irl-DeAN should put its collective 
> > > > >>
> > > > >>name to this
> > > > >>
> > > > >>>or any other such submission, please say so.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>Thanks,
> > > > >>>Mark 
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>Dr. Mark Magennis
> > > > >>>Director of the Centre for Inclusive Technology (CFIT)
> > > > >>>National Council for the Blind of Ireland
> > > > >>>Whitworth Road, Dublin 9, Republic of Ireland
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>mark.magennis at ncbi.ie   tel: +353 (0)71 914 7464
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>>-----Original Message-----
> > > > >>>>From: irl-dean-admin at list.eeng.dcu.ie 
> > > > >>>>[mailto:irl-dean-admin at list.eeng.dcu.ie] On Behalf Of 
> > > > Barry McMullin
> > > > >>>>Sent: 14 October 2005 12:50
> > > > >>>>To: irl-dean at list.eeng.dcu.ie
> > > > >>>>Cc: mcmullin at eeng.dcu.ie
> > > > >>>>Subject: [Irl-dean] NDA - Code of Practice on Public Body 
> > > > >>>>Accessibility?
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>Hi All -
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>I just notice that the NDA have published an open "Call for
> > > > >>>>Comment on Draft Code of Practice on Accessibility of Public
> > > > >>>>Services and Information provided by Public Bodies".  
> > This arises
> > > > >>>>in the context of public organisations which have to meet
> > > > >>>>particular new statutory requirements under the 
> Disability Act
> > > > >>>>2005. The deadline for comment is 28 October, 2005.  
> > Members of
> > > > >>>>Irl-dean may wish to comment in their own right, of 
> > course, but
> > > > >>>>equally if there were any shared views on particular 
> > aspects it
> > > > >>>>might be an idea to have a formal irl-dean response 
> > as well.  I
> > > > >>>>guess we might discuss that a little through the 
> > mailing list...
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>Best regards,
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>- Barry.
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>_______________________________________________
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