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[Irl-dean] Accessible Google Search

Paul Walsh paul at segala.com
Fri Jul 21 12:50:45 IST 2006


Hi Colm,

Would you send us some of that info too please? :) MIVA have offered to give
us a free search tool for our site but I'd like to compare the two.

Many thanks
Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: irl-dean-admin at list.eeng.dcu.ie
[mailto:irl-dean-admin at list.eeng.dcu.ie] On Behalf Of Colm McBarron
Sent: 21 July 2006 12:41
To: irl-dean at list.eeng.dcu.ie
Subject: Re: [Irl-dean] Accessible Google Search

Hi Maura,

I've implemented a number of both the Google Search Appliances and  
Google Mini's for a number of clients - and found that we could  
customise the frontend HTML to whatever we wanted, even changing the  
textbox's name and title to make it as accessible as possible.

Let me know if you'd like any help customising it and I can send you  
some useful information.

All the best,

Colm




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iQ Content Ltd
Usability | Accessibility | Content | Training
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On 21 Jul 2006, at 11:42, Maura Horan wrote:

> Hello everyone,
>
> I've recently joined this mailing list and currently work as a  
> Project Manager/Senior Designer in the Trinity Web Office and have
> been researching Web Accessibility for a few years :)  Just thought  
> I'd reply to this one as I had a request lately to check and see if  
> our new Google Appliance is accessible.  I ran it by a JAWS user  
> and here was the comment back ..
>
>
> "It's fine, google usually is good.  The only different thing is  
> that instead of saying "text box"  or "google search edit" as it  
> usually does, it says "appliance edit", which made me jump over it  
> before realising that that was the box to put in the search words."
>
> Hope this is helpful.
>
> Maura.
>
>
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- 
>> ---
>>
>> Subject:
>> [Irl-dean] Accessible Google Search?
>> From:
>> Barry McMullin <mcmullin at eeng.dcu.ie>
>> Date:
>> Thu, 20 Jul 2006 12:02:43 +0100 (IST)
>> To:
>> irl-dean at list.eeng.dcu.ie
>>
>> To:
>> irl-dean at list.eeng.dcu.ie
>> CC:
>> mcmullin at eeng.dcu.ie
>>
>>
>> Hi -
>>
>> One of my former students (Robin Blandford) just tipped me off to
>> this more (?) accessible version of google:
>>
>> <http://labs.google.com/accessible/>
>>
>> I have not examined it carefully; and it's clearly experimental
>> (the "Accessible Search FAQ" link is dead for example), but
>> thought I would pass it on anyway to see what people think of it.
>>
>> Best - Barry.
>>
>>
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- 
>> ---
>>
>> Subject:
>> RE: [Irl-dean] Accessible Google Search?
>> From:
>> "Paul Walsh" <paul at segala.com>
>> Date:
>> Thu, 20 Jul 2006 12:20:19 +0100
>> To:
>> <irl-dean at list.eeng.dcu.ie>
>>
>> To:
>> <irl-dean at list.eeng.dcu.ie>
>>
>>
>> It's damaging to continue talking about accessibility as if it's  
>> just for
>> the blind/visually impaired! I wish people would start to use  
>> different use
>> cases and benefits.
>>
>> Fingers crossed that Google embrace content labelling to help  
>> highlight
>> sites that are labelled as accessible...
>>
>> Paul
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: irl-dean-admin at list.eeng.dcu.ie
>> [mailto:irl-dean-admin at list.eeng.dcu.ie] On Behalf Of Barry McMullin
>> Sent: 20 July 2006 12:03
>> To: irl-dean at list.eeng.dcu.ie
>> Cc: mcmullin at eeng.dcu.ie
>> Subject: [Irl-dean] Accessible Google Search?
>>
>> Hi -
>>
>> One of my former students (Robin Blandford) just tipped me off to
>> this more (?) accessible version of google:
>>
>> <http://labs.google.com/accessible/>
>>
>> I have not examined it carefully; and it's clearly experimental
>> (the "Accessible Search FAQ" link is dead for example), but
>> thought I would pass it on anyway to see what people think of it.
>>
>> Best - Barry.
>>
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>> Subject:
>> RE: [Irl-dean] Accessible Google Search?
>> From:
>> "Tim Culhane" <tim.culhane at criticalpath.net>
>> Date:
>> Thu, 20 Jul 2006 12:21:57 +0100
>> To:
>> <irl-dean at list.eeng.dcu.ie>
>>
>> To:
>> <irl-dean at list.eeng.dcu.ie>
>>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Haven't had a look at the accessible site,  but  I never  thought of
>> google.com as been inaccessible?
>>
>> Tim
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: irl-dean-admin at list.eeng.dcu.ie
>> [mailto:irl-dean-admin at list.eeng.dcu.ie] On Behalf Of Barry McMullin
>> Sent: 20 July 2006 12:03
>> To: irl-dean at list.eeng.dcu.ie
>> Cc: mcmullin at eeng.dcu.ie
>> Subject: [Irl-dean] Accessible Google Search?
>>
>>
>> Hi -
>>
>> One of my former students (Robin Blandford) just tipped me off to  
>> this more
>> (?) accessible version of google:
>>
>> <http://labs.google.com/accessible/>
>>
>> I have not examined it carefully; and it's clearly experimental (the
>> "Accessible Search FAQ" link is dead for example), but thought I  
>> would pass
>> it on anyway to see what people think of it.
>>
>> Best - Barry.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> Subject:
>> RE: [Irl-dean] Accessible Google Search?
>> From:
>> Hugh O'Neill <honeill at crc.ie>
>> Date:
>> Thu, 20 Jul 2006 12:29:20 +0100
>> To:
>> "irl-dean at list.eeng.dcu.ie" <irl-dean at list.eeng.dcu.ie>
>>
>> To:
>> "irl-dean at list.eeng.dcu.ie" <irl-dean at list.eeng.dcu.ie>
>>
>>
>> Hi Tim,
>>
>> Here is an article online about it:
>> http://news.com.com/2100-1032_3-6096169.html? 
>> part=rss&tag=6096169&subj=news
>> It looks as if it aims to find sites that work with blind people's  
>> text to speech software.
>> Hugh
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: irl-dean-admin at list.eeng.dcu.ie
>> [mailto:irl-dean-admin at list.eeng.dcu.ie]On Behalf Of Tim Culhane
>> Sent: 20 July 2006 12:22
>> To: irl-dean at list.eeng.dcu.ie
>> Subject: RE: [Irl-dean] Accessible Google Search?
>> Importance: Low
>>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Haven't had a look at the accessible site,  but  I never  thought of
>> google.com as been inaccessible?
>>
>> Tim
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: irl-dean-admin at list.eeng.dcu.ie
>> [mailto:irl-dean-admin at list.eeng.dcu.ie] On Behalf Of Barry McMullin
>> Sent: 20 July 2006 12:03
>> To: irl-dean at list.eeng.dcu.ie
>> Cc: mcmullin at eeng.dcu.ie
>> Subject: [Irl-dean] Accessible Google Search?
>>
>>
>> Hi -
>>
>> One of my former students (Robin Blandford) just tipped me off to  
>> this more
>> (?) accessible version of google:
>>
>> <http://labs.google.com/accessible/>
>>
>> I have not examined it carefully; and it's clearly experimental (the
>> "Accessible Search FAQ" link is dead for example), but thought I  
>> would pass
>> it on anyway to see what people think of it.
>>
>> Best - Barry.
>>
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>> Subject:
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>> From:
>> corrywt at cs.tcd.ie
>> Date:
>> Thu, 20 Jul 2006 13:22:32 +0100 (IST)
>> To:
>> irl-dean at list.eeng.dcu.ie
>>
>> To:
>> irl-dean at list.eeng.dcu.ie
>>
>>
>>> I'm sure that  the site hosting the survey generates the forms
>>> automatically, and you may have no control over the construction  
>>> of the
>>> forms.
>>>
>>
>> Yes, unfortunately, since it generates the forms automatically, I  
>> didn't
>> have control over it.  I must admit that I made an assumption that  
>> the
>> form would degrade more elegantly.  I have to apologise for my  
>> error - I
>> will re-post with a new version of the survey that I will code  
>> myself to
>> ensure improved accessibility.
>>
>> Thank you all for your patience!
>>
>>
>> Tristan
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>> Subject:
>> RE: [Irl-dean] Accessible Google Search?
>> From:
>> "Tim Culhane" <tim.culhane at criticalpath.net>
>> Date:
>> Thu, 20 Jul 2006 13:34:24 +0100
>> To:
>> <irl-dean at list.eeng.dcu.ie>
>>
>> To:
>> <irl-dean at list.eeng.dcu.ie>
>>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Might be a nice idea, but to be honest I'd like to make my own  
>> decisions as
>> to what I find accessible or not, rather than have google filter the
>> content.
>>
>> Tim
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: irl-dean-admin at list.eeng.dcu.ie
>> [mailto:irl-dean-admin at list.eeng.dcu.ie] On Behalf Of Hugh O'Neill
>> Sent: 20 July 2006 12:29
>> To: irl-dean at list.eeng.dcu.ie
>> Subject: RE: [Irl-dean] Accessible Google Search?
>>
>>
>> Hi Tim,
>>
>> Here is an article online about it:
>> http://news.com.com/2100-1032_3-6096169.html? 
>> part=rss&tag=6096169&subj=news
>> It looks as if it aims to find sites that work with blind people's  
>> text to
>> speech software.
>> Hugh
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: irl-dean-admin at list.eeng.dcu.ie
>> [mailto:irl-dean-admin at list.eeng.dcu.ie]On Behalf Of Tim Culhane
>> Sent: 20 July 2006 12:22
>> To: irl-dean at list.eeng.dcu.ie
>> Subject: RE: [Irl-dean] Accessible Google Search?
>> Importance: Low
>>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Haven't had a look at the accessible site,  but  I never  thought of
>> google.com as been inaccessible?
>>
>> Tim
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: irl-dean-admin at list.eeng.dcu.ie
>> [mailto:irl-dean-admin at list.eeng.dcu.ie] On Behalf Of Barry McMullin
>> Sent: 20 July 2006 12:03
>> To: irl-dean at list.eeng.dcu.ie
>> Cc: mcmullin at eeng.dcu.ie
>> Subject: [Irl-dean] Accessible Google Search?
>>
>>
>> Hi -
>>
>> One of my former students (Robin Blandford) just tipped me off to  
>> this more
>> (?) accessible version of google:
>>
>> <http://labs.google.com/accessible/>
>>
>> I have not examined it carefully; and it's clearly experimental (the
>> "Accessible Search FAQ" link is dead for example), but thought I  
>> would pass
>> it on anyway to see what people think of it.
>>
>> Best - Barry.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> irl-dean at list.eeng.dcu.ie
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>> To:
>> irl-dean at list.eeng.dcu.ie
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>>
>>
>> Trsitan, welcome to the mailing list.
>>
>> > As part of my Masters, I am completing a dissertation on the  
>> topic of "The
>> > Business Case for Web Accessibility", supervised by Alexis  
>> Donnelly.
>> I am sure we are all well aware of the oft cited motivators for  
>> accessibility; legislation, maintenance, SEO, reputation, forward  
>> compatibility etc.   I have never come across a case where  
>> improving the accessibility of a website was directly linked to  
>> profitability.  If such data were available it could prove to be a  
>> great incentive for many companies to consider accessibility and  
>> would undoubtedly assist many members of this mailing list in  
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>> Subject:
>> [Irl-dean] Introduction
>> From:
>> "Diarmad McNally" <diarmad at ixdstudio.com>
>> Date:
>> Fri, 21 Jul 2006 05:16:39 +0100
>> To:
>> <irl-dean at list.eeng.dcu.ie>
>>
>> To:
>> <irl-dean at list.eeng.dcu.ie>
>>
>>
>> Hello everyone,
>>
>> I've recently joined the mailing list and after reading the last  
>> few mails
>> regarding accessibility, it seems full of strong and informed  
>> opinions which
>> is great to see.
>>
>> I've been living in London for the past 8 years but intend on  
>> returning to
>> Dublin in the near future. Originally a developer, I moved towards  
>> interface
>> design and usability which led to an MSc in Human-Computer  
>> Interaction here:
>> www.uclic.ucl.ac.uk/
>>
>> I've worked with several of the top new media agencies here and  
>> for clients
>> including O2, British Telecom, Microsoft and the Financial Services
>> Authority.
>>
>> Please feel free to contact me and I hope that when back in  
>> Ireland I can
>> contribute to the community.
>>
>>
>> Diarmad McNally
>>
>> Interaction Design Studio
>> www.ixdstudio.com
>> Phone: +44 (0)7808 297289
>>
>>
>>
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>> Subject:
>> Re: [Irl-dean] Accessible Google Search?
>> From:
>> Mark Magennis <Mark.magennis at ncbi.ie>
>> Date:
>> Fri, 21 Jul 2006 09:52:26 +0100
>> To:
>> irl-dean at list.eeng.dcu.ie
>>
>> To:
>> irl-dean at list.eeng.dcu.ie
>>
>>
>>
>> On 20 Jul 2006, at 12:20, Paul Walsh wrote:
>>
>>> It's damaging to continue talking about accessibility as if it's   
>>> just for
>>> the blind/visually impaired! I wish people would start to use   
>>> different use
>>> cases and benefits.
>>
>>
>> It's also damaging to reduce the functionality for the "special   
>> version". There is no link to Advanced Search or Preferences and  
>> no  spell check.
>>
>> Although this is work in progress, it currently reinforces the   
>> incorrect and damaging idea that accessibility is about providing   
>> special adaptations for people with vision impairment and  
>> necessarily  means simplifying it by getting rid of functionality  
>> and aesthetics.  Hopefully this is just work in progress.
>>
>> Mark
>>
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>> Subject:
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>> From:
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>> Date:
>> Fri, 21 Jul 2006 09:56:02 +0100
>> To:
>> irl-dean at list.eeng.dcu.ie
>>
>> To:
>> irl-dean at list.eeng.dcu.ie
>>
>>
>> Welcome to the list Diarmad. Always good to have people in the   
>> accessibility community with user interface design skills.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> On 21 Jul 2006, at 05:16, Diarmad McNally wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hello everyone,
>>>
>>> I've recently joined the mailing list and after reading the last   
>>> few mails
>>> regarding accessibility, it seems full of strong and informed   
>>> opinions which
>>> is great to see.
>>>
>>> I've been living in London for the past 8 years but intend on   
>>> returning to
>>> Dublin in the near future. Originally a developer, I moved  
>>> towards  interface
>>> design and usability which led to an MSc in Human-Computer   
>>> Interaction here:
>>> www.uclic.ucl.ac.uk/
>>>
>>> I've worked with several of the top new media agencies here and  
>>> for  clients
>>> including O2, British Telecom, Microsoft and the Financial Services
>>> Authority.
>>>
>>> Please feel free to contact me and I hope that when back in  
>>> Ireland  I can
>>> contribute to the community.
>>>
>>>
>>> Diarmad McNally
>>>
>>> Interaction Design Studio
>>> www.ixdstudio.com
>>> Phone: +44 (0)7808 297289
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>> Subject:
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>> From:
>> "Fiachra O Marcaigh" <fomsubs at gmail.com>
>> Date:
>> Fri, 21 Jul 2006 11:29:12 +0100
>> To:
>> irl-dean at list.eeng.dcu.ie
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>> To:
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>>
>> Tristan,
>>
>> Welcome to the list. I look forward to completing the survey  
>> whenever you have the new version available.
>>
>>  - Fiachra
>>
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