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[Irl-dean] Emails and Screen Readers?

Mark Magennis Mark.magennis at ncbi.ie
Thu Jul 27 10:49:33 IST 2006


> Potentially you can configure your screen reader to  try and be  
> clever  by
> substituting '>'   with another  word or sound.

But then it would still say it at the beginning of every line, and  
therefore in the middle of sentences, rather than announcing the  
beginning and end of the quote, which is what you'd want.

> One technique I use when dealing with many levels of nested '>'  
> symbols is
> to cut and paste the message into another editor and do a search  
> and replace
> on '>' and replace it with nothing.

Thus losing all the information about quotations. It's a bummer!

Mark

>
> Tim
>
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> To: irl-dean at list.eeng.dcu.ie
> Subject: Re: [Irl-dean] Emails and Screen Readers?
>
>
>> 1. Do screen readers read disclaimers every time they encounter them
>> or do the major email providers have some sort of script which stops
>> the reader at the end of the relevant content?
>
> If the disclaimer is just more text added on to the end of a text
> message then no software - screen reader or email client - will be
> able to tell where the message body ends and the disclaimer starts,
> except by the application of some advanced artificial intelligence.
>
> For disclaimers or signatures to be reliably detected, they would
> have to be marked up as such in a machine readable way. I'm not
> completely sure about any of this, but my guess is that this does not
> happen with plain text emails, almost certainly does not happen
> either with Rich Text emails and could happen with HTML emails, but
> probably doesn't. Even if there is a way of tagging the disclaimer in
> an HTML email, I would bet that few email clients recognise it.
>
>> How do they feel about the following common punctuation usages.
>>
>>>> to show quotes?
>
> Your email client probably displays quotes using chevrons ('greater
> than' symbols) before each line of the quoted text. My email client
> (Mac Mail) displays it as a solid border to the left of the paragraph
> being quoted, with a single border for a direct quote, a double
> border for a quote of a quote, a triple border for a quote of a quote
> of a quote, etc. Additionally, it uses different colours for each
> quote level, so a direct quote has the text and border in blue, quote
> of a quote is green and quote of a quote of a quote is black. You can
> set the colours to whatever you want.
>
> The email I receive is just text and contains chevrons at the start
> of some lines. So Mac Mail is interpreting these chevrons as
> indicating a quote. It is feasible that a screen reader could do the
> same, so when it sees a chevron at the start of a line it could say
> "quote" then when it comes to a line with no chevron it could say
> "end of quote". Or it could use a different voice for what it thinks
> are quoted lines. I imagine it would get a bit more complicated and
> more difficult for the user to follow with more than one level of
> quoting. Tim do screen readers ever do this kind of thing, of does
> everyone just put up with hearing "greater than greater than" all the
> time and figure it out for themselves?
>
> The problem with this interpretation approach is that really it's
> just guessing. The client assumes that chevrons at the start of lines
> always mean quotes and sometimes it gets it wrong. For instance,
> where you have written "> > > to show quotes?", my mail client
> assumes, wrongly, that this is a third level quote. So markup would
> be better.
>
>> - between words?
>>
>> / between words?
>>
>> . at the end of a sentence ?
>
> These are normal in written language. not specific to emails, so I'm
> sure screen readers and screen reader users have figured out how to
> handle them sensibly.
>
>> even bad spelling?
>
> It's ironic. Some of the worst spellers are screen reader users
> themselves! They often spell phonetically. But the human brain is
> good at interpreting misspelt words correctly, whereas the screen
> reader is not good at it. I imagine it can be a pain sometimes, but
> again it's not just to do with email. I'm also one of the worst
> spellers, but I pass everything I write through a spell checker, so
> you wouldn't know. Incidentally, my spell checker tells me your
> signature contains a misspelling - "recieved" instead of "received"
>
> Mark
>
>>
>>
>> Dont even ask how I thought of this but any information on this is
>> very much appreciated.
>>
>> With regards
>>
>> Brendan Spillane
>>
>>
>> P.S. for any users of screen readers I apologise if you have had to
>> read the info below every time I have posted on this list.
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