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Tue Sep 30 01:46:23 IST 2008

engineer to make it accessible. however the main problem with this is
that if you have heavy customisation in place future updates to
sharepoint may break these.

I suppose the real message is that Sharepoint is great at its main
tasks such as document management etc. But it should not be used as a
Content Management System if you want an accessible website

There are several alternative CMS including opensource technologies
which I believe will result in a more accessible website.

I am very interested in others point of view on this as well. Have any
developers here had to use sharepoint? What were their experiences?

Best,

Brendan

2008/9/19 Siobhan Long <slong at enableireland.ie>:

> Alan
>
>
>
> That's great to know. Thanks for that info. We'll check it out.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> Siobhan
>
>
>
> National High Tech Assistive Technology Training Service
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> Enable Ireland
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> From: irl-dean-bounces at list.eeng.dcu.ie
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> Sent: 19 September 2008 13:12
> To: Irish Design-for-all and e-Accessibility Network
> Subject: Re: [Irl-dean] Sharepoint Accessibility Query
>
>
>
> Siobhan,
>
> I know HiSoftware released an "Accessibility Kit for SharePoint"
earlier
> this year, but I haven't used it so I don't know how useful it is.
There's
> more information at http://aks.hisoftware.com/index.html
>
> Regards,
> Alan.
> __________
> Alan Dalton
> Accessibility Development Advisor, Excellence through Accessibility
> http://www.nda.ie/eta
> National Disability Authority, 25 Clyde Road, Dublin 4.
> E-mail: adalton at nda.ie
> Direct Line: 01-6080 406
>
>
> "Siobhan Long" <slong at enableireland.ie>
> Sent by: irl-dean-bounces at list.eeng.dcu.ie
>
> 19/09/2008 13:05
>
> Please respond to
> Irish Design-for-all and e-Accessibility Network
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> To
>
> <joshue.oconnor at ncbi.ie>, "Irish Design-for-all and e-Accessibility
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> cc
>
> Ed Meagher <emeagher at enableireland.ie>
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> Subject
>
> [Irl-dean] Sharepoint Accessibility Query
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Dear fellow members of Irldean,
>
> We are currently designing a new intranet for Enable Ireland and we
are
> keen to find out just how accessible Sharepoint it. We want to use it
> both as a document repository and for interactive editing of shared
> documents. I wonder if anyone has specific experience of this? Our IT
> contractors are unsure as to just how accessible it is, out of the
box.
>
> Many thanks, in advance,
>
> Siobhan Long
>
> Manager
> National High Tech Assistive Technology Training Service
> Enable Ireland
> Units 3 - 4
> Block C
> Cashel Business Centre
> Cashel Road
> Crumlin
> Dublin 12
>
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15:59<br>
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and
e-Accessibility Network<br>
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Sharepoint
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Hi Siobhan 
 
I had first hand contact with SharePoint a couple of years back whilst =
working
for a major publisher/e-publisher over in <st1:country-region =
w:st=3D"on"><st1:place
 w:st=3D"on">England</st1:place></st1:country-region>. 
 
We evaluated it for running several projects with attached websites that
required pretty high standards.&nbsp; SP was pretty powerful as a =
document
collaboration tool (and we used it for an <a
href=3D"http://www.itil-officialsite.com/">ITIL</a> consultation) but =
its
standards compliance for the web-side of things was dire, even without =
any
specific accessibility requirement. 
 
When I convinced my employers to take accessibility seriously the =
resulting
audit of the system's output placed it beyond feasible repair.&nbsp; The =
cost
and support implications for the customisation was simply too much. 
 
As Brendan points out, these things can be ironed out with the right =
expertise
but it is quite a considerable task.&nbsp; At the time we also found =
developers
with the right experience of SP and =
a
thorough understanding of accessibility were not in great supply. 
 
We decided to keep the document management and web CMS separate. 
 
By the way, if you need the user interface needs to be accessible too - =
let's
just say I didn't actively test this but my feeling was that much of it =
would
fail...badly. 
 
Hope that helps. 
 
Have a great weekend. 
 
 
_____________________ 
Andrew Hart 
Simius Web Ltd 
 
tel: +353 (0)91 395 586 
mob: +353 (0)871 264 728 
 
<a href=3D"http://www.simiusweb.ie">http://www.simiusweb.ie</a><=
/b> 
 
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>2008/9/19 Brendan Spillane &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:brendan at ilikecake.ie">brendan at ilikecake.ie</a>&gt;<o:p></o=
:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>Hi Siobhan<br>
<br>
We had to do some looking into Sharepoint and accessibility a while<br>
back and came up with a few articles.<br>
<br>
The first is from CMS watch where they point out that the Microsoft<br>
response regarding SharePoint is that &quot;Office SharePoint Server, =
by<br>
default,<br>
is not XHTML compliant.&quot;<br>
<br>
You can see the full article at<br>
<a
href=3D"http://www.cmswatch.com/Trends/1218-SharePoint,-accessibility,-an=
d-web-standards"
target=3D"_blank">http://www.cmswatch.com/Trends/1218-SharePoint,-accessi=
bility,-and-web-standards</a><br>
<br>
The second article is by a guy called Bruce Lawson a very well<br>
respected accessibility practitioner and was part of the British<br>
standards Institutions review panel on their guidelines for buying<br>
accessible websites.<br>
<br>
His article can be seen at<br>
<a =
href=3D"http://www.brucelawson.co.uk/2008/sharepoint-and-web-accessibilit=
y/"
target=3D"_blank">http://www.brucelawson.co.uk/2008/sharepoint-and-web-ac=
cessibility/</a><br>
<br>