[CEUD-ICT] WCAG 2.0 "Images of Text" guidelines, and text in logos

[Simius Puer]

Oh gosh, and I was involved in that discussion too *looks slightly sheepish*

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On 21 April 2010 17:57, Alan M. Dalton <AMDalton at nda.ie> wrote:

> Mark, Andrew,
>
> Thanks for your answers.
>
> Andrew, I remember a discussion about identifying a language change in an
> image's alternate text here a couple of years ago [1]. Who needs
> WebAIM?! :-)
>
> [1] http://list.universaldesign.ie/pipermail/ceud-ict/2008/001699.html
>
> Regards,
> Alan.
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> Alan Dalton
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> Access Officer for NDA http://www.nda.ie
>
> Address: National Disability Authority, 25 Clyde Road, Dublin 4.
> E-mail: amdalton at nda.ie
> Telephone: 01-6080 406
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> Totally - this is accessibility basics 101.
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> No one would take the WCAG seriously if they told you "you can't use your
> own logo".  Now the alt-text on a logo with multiple languages, that's
> another matter as there is no mechanism for changing lang="" mid-alt-text.
> There was some discussion about that on WebAIM mailing list a while back
> and the archives are publicly available if you need it.
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> On 19 April 2010 16:52, Mark Magennis <Mark.magennis at ncbi.ie> wrote:
>  The WCAG2.0 statement of criteria 1.4.9 is:
>
>  1.4.9 Images of Text (No Exception): Images of text are only used for
>  pure decoration or where a particular presentation of text is essential
>  to the information being conveyed. (Level AAA)
>  Note: Logotypes (text that is part of a logo or brand name) are
>  considered essential.
>
>  So logotypes can be considered essential and, as such, do not contravene
>  this success criterion. Which puts you in the clear doesn't it?
>
>  Mark
>
>  On 19 Apr 2010, at 13:38, Alan M. Dalton wrote:
>
>  >
>  > Hi all,
>  >
>  > I'd appreciate your opinions on text in logos, and the Web Content
>  > Accessibility Guidelines (WCAG) 2.0. WCAG 2.0 has 2 guidelines that
>  discuss
>  > using images of text. They are:
>  > - 1.4.5 Images of Text [1];
>  > - 1.4.9 Images of Text (No Exception) [2].
>  >
>  > As Jeffrey Veen said in "The Art and Science of Web Design" (10 years
>  ago),
>  > "Text is text. Graphics are graphics" [3]. WCAG 2.0 guideline 1.4.5
>  > basically says that webpages should have text instead of images of
>  text,
>  > but that webpages can have images of text if the user will be able to
>  > change the appearance of that text, and that webpages can have images,
>  such
>  > as logos, if the presentation of the text is essential. WCAG 2.0
>  guideline
>  > 1.4.9 is stricter, and basically says that webpages should have text
>  > instead of images of text, but that webpages can have images of text,
>  such
>  > as logos, if the presentation of the text is essential.
>  >
>  > I'm wondering about the text in logos such as ours (in the National
>  > Disability Authority) [4]. The top two-thirds of our logo has "n", "D",
>  and
>  > "A" as large letters, in an unusual sans-serif font. The bottom thirds
>  of
>  > our logo has the words "National Disability Authority" in a bold,
>  > sans-serif font, and the words "Údarás Náisiúnta Míchumais" in a
>  sans-serif
>  > font. We use that logo on our headed paper, and in our publications and
>  > presentations. I think our website conforms to guidelines 1.4.5 and
>  1.4.9,
>  > even though there is text in our logo. I know a huge number of Irish
>  > websites have the same issue.
>  >
>  > Has anybody any thoughts on that? I'd be interested to hear your
>  opinions.
>  >
>  > [1]
>  >
>
> http://www.w3.org/TR/UNDERSTANDING-WCAG20/visual-audio-contrast-text-presentation.html
>
>  > [2]
>  >
>
> http://www.w3.org/TR/UNDERSTANDING-WCAG20/visual-audio-contrast-text-images.html
>
>  > [3] http://thefarawayplaces.com/class/layout/1.html
>  > [4] http://www.nda.ie/resourcenew.nsf/images/ndalogo.gif
>  >
>  > Regards,
>  > Alan.
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>  > Alan Dalton
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>  > Access Officer for NDA http://www.nda.ie
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