Oh gosh, and I was involved in that discussion too *looks slightly sheepish*<br><br clear="all">_____________________<br>Andrew Hart<br>Simius Web Ltd<br><br>tel: +353 (0)65 6847040<br>mob: +353 (0)871 264 728<br><br>Website: <a href="http://www.simiusweb.ie">http://www.simiusweb.ie</a><br>
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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 21 April 2010 17:57, Alan M. Dalton <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:AMDalton@nda.ie">AMDalton@nda.ie</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
Mark, Andrew,<br>
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Thanks for your answers.<br>
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Andrew, I remember a discussion about identifying a language change in an<br>
image's alternate text here a couple of years ago [1]. Who needs<br>
WebAIM?! :-)<br>
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[1] <a href="http://list.universaldesign.ie/pipermail/ceud-ict/2008/001699.html" target="_blank">http://list.universaldesign.ie/pipermail/ceud-ict/2008/001699.html</a><br>
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Re: [CEUD-ICT] WCAG 2.0 "Images of<br>
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Totally - this is accessibility basics 101.<br>
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No one would take the WCAG seriously if they told you "you can't use your<br>
own logo". Now the alt-text on a logo with multiple languages, that's<br>
another matter as there is no mechanism for changing lang="" mid-alt-text.<br>
There was some discussion about that on WebAIM mailing list a while back<br>
and the archives are publicly available if you need it.<br>
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On 19 April 2010 16:52, Mark Magennis <<a href="mailto:Mark.magennis@ncbi.ie">Mark.magennis@ncbi.ie</a>> wrote:<br>
The WCAG2.0 statement of criteria 1.4.9 is:<br>
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1.4.9 Images of Text (No Exception): Images of text are only used for<br>
pure decoration or where a particular presentation of text is essential<br>
to the information being conveyed. (Level AAA)<br>
Note: Logotypes (text that is part of a logo or brand name) are<br>
considered essential.<br>
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So logotypes can be considered essential and, as such, do not contravene<br>
this success criterion. Which puts you in the clear doesn't it?<br>
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Mark<br>
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On 19 Apr 2010, at 13:38, Alan M. Dalton wrote:<br>
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> Hi all,<br>
><br>
> I'd appreciate your opinions on text in logos, and the Web Content<br>
> Accessibility Guidelines (WCAG) 2.0. WCAG 2.0 has 2 guidelines that<br>
discuss<br>
> using images of text. They are:<br>
> - 1.4.5 Images of Text [1];<br>
> - 1.4.9 Images of Text (No Exception) [2].<br>
><br>
> As Jeffrey Veen said in "The Art and Science of Web Design" (10 years<br>
ago),<br>
> "Text is text. Graphics are graphics" [3]. WCAG 2.0 guideline 1.4.5<br>
> basically says that webpages should have text instead of images of<br>
text,<br>
> but that webpages can have images of text if the user will be able to<br>
> change the appearance of that text, and that webpages can have images,<br>
such<br>
> as logos, if the presentation of the text is essential. WCAG 2.0<br>
guideline<br>
> 1.4.9 is stricter, and basically says that webpages should have text<br>
> instead of images of text, but that webpages can have images of text,<br>
such<br>
> as logos, if the presentation of the text is essential.<br>
><br>
> I'm wondering about the text in logos such as ours (in the National<br>
> Disability Authority) [4]. The top two-thirds of our logo has "n", "D",<br>
and<br>
> "A" as large letters, in an unusual sans-serif font. The bottom thirds<br>
of<br>
> our logo has the words "National Disability Authority" in a bold,<br>
> sans-serif font, and the words "Údarás Náisiúnta Míchumais" in a<br>
sans-serif<br>
> font. We use that logo on our headed paper, and in our publications and<br>
> presentations. I think our website conforms to guidelines 1.4.5 and<br>
1.4.9,<br>
> even though there is text in our logo. I know a huge number of Irish<br>
> websites have the same issue.<br>
><br>
> Has anybody any thoughts on that? I'd be interested to hear your<br>
opinions.<br>
><br>
> [1]<br>
><br>
<a href="http://www.w3.org/TR/UNDERSTANDING-WCAG20/visual-audio-contrast-text-presentation.html" target="_blank">http://www.w3.org/TR/UNDERSTANDING-WCAG20/visual-audio-contrast-text-presentation.html</a><br>
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> [2]<br>
><br>
<a href="http://www.w3.org/TR/UNDERSTANDING-WCAG20/visual-audio-contrast-text-images.html" target="_blank">http://www.w3.org/TR/UNDERSTANDING-WCAG20/visual-audio-contrast-text-images.html</a><br>
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> [3] <a href="http://thefarawayplaces.com/class/layout/1.html" target="_blank">http://thefarawayplaces.com/class/layout/1.html</a><br>
> [4] <a href="http://www.nda.ie/resourcenew.nsf/images/ndalogo.gif" target="_blank">http://www.nda.ie/resourcenew.nsf/images/ndalogo.gif</a><br>
><br>
> Regards,<br>
> Alan.<br>
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> Alan Dalton<br>
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